Tales of Tamar

Greetings Laurentius,

sayyy, is my one army on my city so menacing that you have ordered 16 troops and stationed them at my borders?

What is with the cities btw? You have only said only one thing once and that was it. No further messages, the gods were also silent and you built a new city directly afterward. So, is that chapter closed?

Or, is there another deal going on? I, with my youthful indiscretion, will offer a wild guess. You have promised ansgar a new coastal town if he becomes your vassal.

I have scouts in your area and really have to wonder. There is unclaimed land and lots of land belonging to the orcs. How come? Why not take that first and get rid of the orcs?

And why does nobody say how old they are? Is it a faux pas to ask that?

Seyd gegrüßet werter Blackadder,

On 2003-09-14 10:14, BlackAdder wrote:
Greetings Laurentius,

sayyy, is my one army on my city so menacing that you have ordered 16 troops and stationed them at my borders?

Ohja, Ich fürchte mich gar sehr, vor Ewrer Kavallerie, aber eher mehr vor Ewrem Siedler, der kuerzlich durch meyne Gebiete gehuscht ist.

Da der Winter bitterkalt ist, wollten meyne Mannen, um sich etwas aufzuwärmen, über die Hügel meyner Provinz marschieren vndt eyn paar Übungen abhalten.
Ihr werdet im Frühling sehen, dass es nicht mehr so viele sindt, sondern nur noch die Truppen, welche meyne Grenze schützen sollen. Ihr glaubt doch nicht ernsthaft, dass Ich meyne Grenzen ungeschützt lasse, vor allem, nachdem was mir meine Kundtschafter über Ewren bisherigen Umgang mit Ewren Nachbarn berichteten.

What is with the cities btw? You have only said only one thing once and that was it. No further messages, the gods were also silent and you built a new city directly afterward. So, is that chapter closed?

Nicht so aufgeregt, beruhigt Ewch, Ihr müsstet derweil eigentlich schon eyne Verhandlungsdepesche des Ordens erhalten haben. Antwortet bitte schnell auf jene, sie ist von größeter Wichtigkeyt, vndt könnte dieses Kapitel abschließen.

Ja, nicht wahr, welch Glück, dass ich, eyn Quartal bevor meyne Stadt zerstört wurde, eynen Siedler eben dort aufstellen konnte.
Wie ungeschützt wäre meyne Provinz, ohne eyne Siedlung in diesen Landen, so freut es mich, dass Ihr von meyner Siedlung notiz genommen habet.

Or, is there another deal going on? I, with my youthful indiscretion, will offer a wild guess. You have promised ansgar a new coastal town if he becomes your vassal.

Na Ihr habt eyne blühende Phantasie, habt Ihr davon mehr avf Lager ?
Aber da Ich vor Ewch erzittere, oder ist's meyn Alter, was mich zittern lässt, werde Ich es Ewch natürlich verraten.
Es tut mir unendlich leyd Ewch enttäuschen zu müssen, weder verprach Ich Ansgar eyne Hafenstadt noch ist oder wirdt er meyn Vasall.

Aber verratet mit bitte, wie kommet Ihr avf solch Ideen ?
Ihr wollt mir doch nicht etwa durch die Blume sagen, dass Ihr meyn Vasall werden möchtet ?

I have scouts in your area and really have to wonder. There is unclaimed land and lots of land belonging to the orcs. How come? Why not take that first and get rid of the orcs?

Wird auch mal Zeit, dass Ihr Kundtschafter eynsetzt, wäre erfreulicher gewesen, Ihr hättet diese entsandt, bevor Ihr diese eyne Siedlung errichtet hattet.

Es grenzet keyn freies Land mehr an meiner Provinz, avch nehme Ich die Orkgebiete nicht eyn, denn diese Gebiete gehören rechtmäßig Ansgar.

Gez.
Laurentius
Gudhar im Winter 289

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Greetings Laurentius,

I will reply later when somebody has translated your message for me.

The other translator just writes gibberish because he doesn´t understand what you are saying in the first place. He can´t do accents...

Translation:

Greetings Blackadder.

[First quote from Blackadder]

Oh yeah, I am very afraid of your cavalry, but even more afraid of your settlers, who rushed through my territories lately.
Because of the cold winter, my men planned to
warm themselves up by marching over the hills of my province and do a few exercises.
In spring you will see, there´ll only be a few of them left to guard my borders.
You don´t seriously think I leave my borders unguarded, especially after my scouts told me, how you treated your neighbours.

[Second quote from Blackadder]

Don´t be so excited, calm down. You should already have recieved a dispatch for negotiations from our fraternity. Please anwer us quick, because it´s very mportant
and it could end this chapter.
Lucky me, one quarter before my city was destroyed, I could put a settler where my city was. My Provice would be very unsafe without a settlement in this area, so I´m glad you noticed my settlers.

[Third quote from Blackadder]

You have a bloomin´fantasy, got more of that kind of stories? Now that I´m tremblin´ of you, or is it my age that makes me tremblin`, I will tell you now.
I am very sorry to disappoint you, neither did I promise Ansgar a seaport, nor he is or wil be my vassal.
But tell me, how do you get such ideas?
You don´t wanna say me in a roundabout way that you want to become my vassal, don´t you?

[Fourth quote from Blackadder]

It`s about time you start sending out your scouts. It would have been even better, if you had sent them out before you started building a city.
There is no free land near my province. I do not take the areas where the orks are, because this land originally belongs to Ansgar, so it´s lawfully his land.

Laurentius
Gudhar in winter 289

@Laurentius

(Thanks to Lingo for the translation)

It`s about time you start sending out your scouts. It would have been even better, if you had sent them out before you started building a city.

That's a silly thing to say. If BlackAdder's scouts could see your town and Ansgar's, he wouldn't have been ABLE to build that town anyway. The destruction of your town is not his fault. Perhaps you should not have built so close to the unknown lands?

There is no free land near my province. I do not take the areas where the orks are, because this land originally belongs to Ansgar, so it´s lawfully his land.

That's a tradition and not a law. For myself, I regard any land that is not reclaimed from orcs/elves/dwarves etc within three years of being captured as being available to whoever gets to it first. I say this as someone who does have an orc problem, and I find it wrong that people should claim ownership of land they are not prepared to defend from vermin.

Regards,


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Captain Garibaldi of Babylon

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@Lingo: Thank you for translating

Greetings Laurentius,

I have received absolutely no messages from you. Not as a private message here, nor as a message in Tamar and no pigeon either...

And how I get these ideas? Well, all these armies make me uncomfortable. You had so many armies on your borders (still have a lot there), Ansgar is right next to a city from me with a heavy unit too, Gunthrer has raised many new units and so on...

I wonder if they will at least declare war before attacking.

And I did sent out scouts before building my cities. I built them right on the edge of the darkness and I hoped that there would be the ocean when the darkness is lifted, but alas no. Thats why I have 3 cities that are just an acre away from the water because there was land underneath the darkness.

So, please resend your message. I would recommend pigeons since they are more reliable than other means of communication.

Seyd gegrüßet,

@Garibaldi:

It`s about time you start sending out your scouts. It would have been even better, if you had sent them out before you started building a city.

That's a silly thing to say. If BlackAdder's scouts could see your town and Ansgar's, he wouldn't have been ABLE to build that town anyway. The destruction of your town is not his fault. Perhaps you should not have built so close to the unknown lands?

Darum gehet es ja, hätte er die Umgebung kurz vorher erkundet, dann wäre diese fuor alle Beteyligten missliche Lage gar nicht erst entstanden.

Natürlich, alle haben schuld, nur Blackadder ist die Unschuld vom Lande, wie konnte Ich dies avch je bezweifeln ...

Als er seyne Siedlung errichtete, gab es den undurchdringlichen schwarzen Nebel nicht mehr, schliesslich habe Ich, nachdem der Nebel verschwunden war, sogleich meyne nähere Umgebung erkundet vndt es war keyne Siedlung von ihm zv sehen !

There is no free land near my province. I do not take the areas where the orks are, because this land originally belongs to Ansgar, so it´s lawfully his land.

That's a tradition and not a law. For myself, I regard any land that is not reclaimed from orcs/elves/dwarves etc within three years of being captured as being available to whoever gets to it first. I say this as someone who does have an orc problem, and I find it wrong that people should claim ownership of land they are not prepared to defend from vermin.

Sowas, Ihr wollt mir erzählen, welche Gesetze in meynem Reich gelten ... Ich wußte bisher gar nicht, daß meyn Reich Ewrer Rechtsprechung vntersteht, entschuldigt bitte ...

Was Ihr macht ist Ewre Sache, nur solltet Ihr Ewch nicht wundern, wenn noch jemand anders Besitzansprüche stellen sollte.
Ansgar hat das Land per Testament zugesprochen bekommen, Ich halte mich an Testamente - Ihr, bey Ewrer Weltanschauung wohl nicht, oder habet Ihr nicht gewusst, dass es sich dabei um Testamentsgebiet handelt ?
Wie dem auch sey, avch wenn es keyn Testmentsgebiet wäre, ist es von meynem Reich annerkanntes Land, welches Ansgar gehört.
Ansgar hatte das Orkproblem schon weitgehend gelöst ... bevor er seyne Hauptstadt verloren hatte !

Wenn Ihr richtig aufgepasst habet in der Gegend dort unten, dann wäre Ewch aufgefallen, dass nach dem der undurchdringliche schware Nebel gefallen war, ich Gebiete den Orks entrissen habe.

Aber wenn Ihr schon Ewre Meinung zv Orks usw. kundtut, dann lasset mich doch auch etwas sagen, es ist unverantwortlich von Ewch den roten Drachen ueber etliche Jahre avf Endlome umherziehen zu lassen vndt nichts gegen ihn zu unternehmen !



@Blackadder:

I have received absolutely no messages from you. Not as a private message here, nor as a message in Tamar and no pigeon either...

Eigentlich müsstet Ihr eyne Depesche des Ordens der 'Heiligen Gurdih' von eynem Vermittler erhalten haben, der Ewre Interessen in der Taverne vertreten hatte.

And how I get these ideas? Well, all these armies make me uncomfortable. You had so many armies on your borders (still have a lot there), Ansgar is right next to a city from me with a heavy unit too, Gunthrer has raised many new units and so on...

Wie Ich letztens schon erwähnte, sollen meyne Truppen, meyne Grenze sichern, avch wenn sie Ewch als immernoch viel erscheynen sollten, so sindt es weyt weniger, als letztens.

Was geht mich an, was Ansgar vndt Gunthrer mit Ihren Armeen avf Ihrem Territorium machen ?

I wonder if they will at least declare war before attacking.

Woher soll Ich das wissen ?

And I did sent out scouts before building my cities. I built them right on the edge of the darkness and I hoped that there would be the ocean when the darkness is lifted, but alas no. Thats why I have 3 cities that are just an acre away from the water because there was land underneath the darkness.

Wie Ich schon erwähnt hatte, der undruchdringliche schwarze Nebel war schon verschwunden, bevor Ihr diese 'eyne' Siedlung errichtet habet.

So, please resend your message. I would recommend pigeons since they are more reliable than other means of communication.

Ich hoffe, dass der Mittelsmann die Depesche des Ordens inzwischen an Ewch weitergeleitet hat. Dass er dies nicht gleich getan hat, wundert mich etwas. So sehr wie er sich fuor Ewch dabei eingesetzt hatte ... vndt vergisst sie an Ewch weiterzuleiten ...

Wie dem auch sey, ich werde Ewch sogleich sicherheitshalber avch eyne Taube mit den Punkten zukommen lassen.

Gez.
Baron Laurentius
Gudhar im Sommer 290

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Could someone plase translate Lord Laurentius' messages? I'm afraid Babelfishus is unable to handle his dialect, and therefore I am none the wiser to the meaning of his reply.

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Captain Garibaldi of Babylon

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Translation:

Greetings,

@Gabrialdi

[First Quote]

That´s what it´s about, if he had explored the area before, then this awkward situation for all of us wouldn´t have happened.
Of course, everyone´s responsable, but Balckadder is the innocence himself, how could I ever doubt that...
When he founded his city, the black fog didn´t exist anymore, because I explored this area, right after the fog was gone, and no settlement by Blackadder could be seen.

[Second Quote]

So, you want to tell me what laws apply in my realm...Excuse me please, I didn´t know that my laws are minor to your judicature...

What you do is your thing, but you shouldn´t wonder,if somebody else is placing requirements for possession.
Ansgar recieved the land out of a last will.
I abide by last wills - You, with your view of the world certainly not, or didn´t you know the area was promised?
However, if it wasn´t, it is from my realm accepted land that belongs to Ansgar.
Ansgar nearly solved the Orkproblem...before he lost his capital city!
If you paid more attention to what was going on in this area, then you would have realized, that after the black fog was gone, I took Land from the Orks.
But now that you proclaim your opinion on the Orkproblem, I must tell you that it´s inacceptable to have a red dragon strolling around on Endlome for years and do nothing about it!

@Blackadder

[Third quote]

Actually you must have recieved my dispatch from the fraternity of the 'Heiligen Gurdih' via a negotiator, who represented your interests in the tavern.

[Fourth quote]

Like I told you before, my troops shall guard my borders. They may appear like they´re many, but they´re far less than before.
Why should I care for what Ansgar and Gunthrer do with their armies in their territory?

[Fifth quote]

How should I know?

[Sixth quote]

Like I told you berfore, the black fog was gone before you founded this `single´ city.

[Seventh quote]

I hope that my negotiator already sent the dispatch of the fraternity to you. I´m wonderin` why he didn´t do it already.
He spoke for you in the tavern...and now he forgets sendin our dispatch to you.
However, I will immediately send out a pigeon with the same content as a precaution.

Baron Laurentius
Gudhar in summer 290


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(Once again, a big thank-you to Lord Lingo for the translantion)

@Lord Laurentius

Apologies if I sounded like I was challenging your right to make your own laws in your lands. I had no intention of doing so.

I simply pointed out that some lords save money by using the tradition of not losing ownership of land even if it is held by orcs for a long time. This is obviously not correct, as fighting orcs can be an expensive business.

However, of course your laws apply to your realm, as mine do in my realm. I know you respect last wills, and so do I.

As for Lord BlackAdder, I do believe that it is the Gods who are responsible for what happened. BlackAdder is not the first to build next to what he thought was an inpenetrable border and he probably won't be last. I'm sure his scouts did investigate the area, and that the black border was in place at the time, even if it was removed before the settler actually built the town.

Regards,

@ Laurentius

"But now that you proclaim your opinion on the Orkproblem, I must tell you that it´s inacceptable to have a red dragon strolling around on Endlome for years and do nothing about it!"

Hmmmm, prey do tell us PLEASE, how may we kill off the red dragon? If you can explicitly explain how we might do this I would gladly cede you several million GP in return for the information, as I expect would many Lords on Tamar.

Go on, if it's so easy to "do something about it" then let us in on this secret of yours.

Yours in the Tales,
Baron Deverry, Knight of the Round Table.