Tales of Tamar

Lothian hat geschrieben:Before any negotiations can occur all parties involved must agreet to a cease fire.

How can credible negotiations occur while armies are fighting each other?

A cease fire would show good faith and then talks can begin.

Can we agree to a cease fire Lord Richeleau so we can discuss a reasonalbe agreement?

Tja Lord Lothian,

wenn Ihr es doch gewahr geworden seiet, dass ich Euch einen Waffenstillstand angeboten hatte, wäre es natürlich dann doch schön zu wissen, warum Ihr ihn nicht angenommen habt, oder je nach Gesichtspunkt gebrochen habt indem Ihr meine Schiffe angegriffen habt ?

Sollte es nunmehr noch einen Edelmann/frau geben, die / der ernsthaft der Meining ist Lothian / Eburones wünschten Verhandlungen lasse er es mich wissen.

Pater Richeleau

Werter Lord Richeleau!

Richeleau hat geschrieben: Sollte es nunmehr noch einen Edelmann/frau geben, die / der ernsthaft der Meining ist Lothian / Eburones wünschten Verhandlungen lasse er es mich wissen.

Um es mal auf den Punkt zu bringen: Der Wille zu Verhandlungen scheint mir auf beiden Seiten ungefähr gleich stark zu sein.

Ich bin ja wirklich mal darauf gespannt, was Euch als nächstes Thema für einen Hirtenbrief einfällt. Das wird vermutlich im Lichte dieser ganzen Angelegenheit eine höchst erheiternde Lektüre.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Richeleau hat geschrieben:
wenn Ihr es doch gewahr geworden seiet, dass ich Euch einen Waffenstillstand angeboten hatte, wäre es natürlich dann doch schön zu wissen, warum Ihr ihn nicht angenommen habt, oder je nach Gesichtspunkt gebrochen habt indem Ihr meine Schiffe angegriffen habt ?

Well, Padre, if you actually attempted to communicate with Lord Lothian instead of boasting, you might have noticed that he just <b>asked</b> for a cease fire. From the wording, it seems apparent that he wasn't aware that you had offered one before.

Make a serious attempt to negotiate before you question Lothians willingness to parley again, if you want to keep a remnant of credibility!


May The Three grant you some sense
Lord Kalessin

Euer von Gottes Gnaden hochwohlgeboren Lord Kalessin,

meine Bedingungen wurden heute von Lady Nellwyn, als dessen offiziele Verhandlungsbevollmächtigten zurückgewiesen. Ein besseres Angebot wird er von mir nicht erhalten.


Euer von Gottes Gnaden hochwohlgeboren Lord Azuriel,

der nöchste Hirtenbrief wird dann wohl davon handeln wie man mit abgefallenen Vasallen zu verfahren hat, die sich weigern einem das als Lehen gegebene Land zurück zu geben.

Es grüssed und es segnet Euch

Pater Richeleau

Honored Padre,

demands and agreements aside, can we at least for the moment agree on a cease fire since both sides seem to want that?

Werter Pater,

Nachfragen und Vereinbarungen beiseite, können wir mindestens während des Momentes über ein waffenstillstand einig sein, da beide Seiten scheinen, dies zu wünschen?


Lord Lothian,

will you agree to an immediate mutual cease fire to deescalate the situation for the moment?



Blessings of the Three,
Lord Kalessin

Dear Lord Kalessin,

I send you a pigeon.

Best regards

Pater Richeleau

In the light of your message, I will consider my attempt to negotiate a cease fire as failed, then.

Lord Richeleau,

My liege lord encouraged us to repeat our willing for a peaceful agreement in simple and clear words

1) We accept the payment of compensation you demanded

2) We accept that you get back your Land that was previously your property

Our town at Ithilian was not part of your property and also not the 6 acres of
land around the town. Therefore, you don't have rights to raise a claim on that town.

Herewith, we have satisfied all your demands. Do you stop now your attacks
against Lord Lothian?

Lady Nellwyn


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Lord Richeleau,

Mein Lüttich Lord regte uns an, unser Willen für eine ruhige Vereinbarung in
den einfachen und freien Wörtern zu wiederholen

1) nehmen wir die Zahlung des Ausgleiches an, den Sie verlangten

2) nehmen wir an, daß Sie Ihr Land zurückbekommen, das vorher Ihre Eigenschaft
war.

Unsere Stadt bei Ithilian war nicht Teil Ihrer Eigenschaft und auch nicht der 6
Morgen Landes um die Stadt.

Folglich haben Sie nicht Rechte, einen Anspruch an diese Stadt aufzuwerfen.
Hiermit haben wir alle Ihre Nachfragen erfüllt.

Stoppen Sie jetzt Ihre Angriffe gegen Lord Lothian?

Dame Nellwyn

Werte Lasy Nellwyn,

leider hat mich Eure Nachricht nicht mehr rechtzeitig erreicht um meine Angriffsbefehle von Winter 709 auf das Frühjahr 710 nicht zu erteilen. Lothian wird daher in seinen heutigen Berichten noch von Angriffe von mir zu berichten wissen.

Ich stimme Eurem Waffenstillstandsersuchen zu. Ich werde ab diesen Frühjahr keine weiteren Angriffsbefehle erteilen. oder Annektionen vornehmen. Meine Truppen und Schiffe werden sich zurückziehen sobald wir uns handelseinig geworden sind.
Desgleiche erwarte ich von Euch und Lothian.

Zu Eurem Verhandlungsangebot :

Wenn ich das ursprünglich Lehnsgebiet von Lothian zurückverlangen würde (siehe Karte, rot markiertes Gebiet), wäre er von Rest seines Landes abgeschnitten, was für ihn keinen Sinn ergeben würde.



Ich schlage daher nochmals vor mir die Landmorgen auf der Linie 64/6374 bis 64/6378 und westlich davon zu übertragen. Dies ist nach heutigen Stand weniger als das ursprüngliche Lehnsgebiet und sowie des Gesamtlehnsgebietes, zudem behält Lothians Stadt auf Ithilien Anschluß an seine Ländereien.

Auf die Stadt bei 64/6375 bin ich bereit zu verzichten, wenn Ihr im Gegenzug Eure Anklage gegen mich als das klarstellt was sie ist : Kriegspropaganda und in allen Punkten erlogen.

Einen Vertrag über die Höhe aller von mir geforderten Ausgleichszahlungen werde ich Euch heuer zukommen lassen.

So sei es

Pater Richeleau

Richeleau hat geschrieben: Rate Lasy Nellwyn, unfortunately your message does not have to give me any longer in time reached around my attack instructions of winter 709 on the spring 710 not. Lothian will know from there in its current reports still of attacks from me to report. I agree your armistice request. I will give starting from this spring no further attack instructions. or Annektionen make. My troops and ships to withdraw as soon as we commercialunited became. I expect the-same from you and Lothian. To your negotiation offer: If I would originally reclaim that to leaning area of Lothian (see map, red marked area), would be cut off it from remainder of its country, which would not result in a sense for him.

I strike from there before me the land mornings on the line 64/6374 to 64/6378 and west of it to transfer again. This is less after today's conditions than the original leaning area and as soon as the total leaning area, besides Lothians keeps city on Ithilien connection to its Ländereien. On the city with 64/6375 I am ready to do without, if you get in response your accusation straight against me as which her are: War propaganda and in all points erlogen. A contract over the height of all compensations demanded by me I will send you this year. Like that is it Pater Richeleau

Padre Richeleau,

we hope, we understood everything in the right way (to translate the core points into the Common Language would be helpful, though). If so, we agree so far, but, of course, we first have to contact Lord Lothian and wait for his respond in this concern to fully accept your offer.

(One problem exists here. Lord Lothian's residence is far away (in Alaska), that means, he's 8 hours ahead in time .. just for your information as this makes an appointment more difficult.)

Another thing is the compensation payment. How much do you have in mind? There were a lot of numbers during our disput .. If it is not absurdly high, it will be fine with us.

All in all, we're sure, everyone will be satisfied with this agreement.

Regarding our accusal against you, your message shows that everthing seemed to
be a misunderstanding due to the language differences, and thus, we will revoke all points of indictment and, in addition, want to apologize. An officially statement on this will follow soon.


So say we all,

Lady Nellwyn

In short letters what I was written :

Your offer last night didn't reched me early enough to stop given attackorders against Lothian, so he can report battels from winter 709 to spring 710.

I agree with a cease fire. I do not give order to my troops or ship this spring or will annex land. They shall return even if we have a solution.
I expects the same of you and Lothian.

To your offer :

If I take back the originally leaning area, Lothian had no contact from his city to his land. (Take a look to the map, the redbordered area)

In this case I suggest to take the land acer on the line from 64/6374 to 64/6378 and west of it. (This includes zhe land around your city on Ithilien.)

So I take back less land as the red market land on the map and less at it was entirely.

I will renouncements to you city on 64/6375, if you declare the right about your accusation against me, as war propaganda and lies.

(not as misunderstanding due to the language differences) !

A contract about may compensations is on the way to you, (I don't think it will hurt you)

(In the doubt applies what I wrote in my language)


Da Lothian Euch volle Verhandlungsvollmacht gegeben hatte, scheint mir eine Rückfrage bei ihm nicht notwendig.

Since Lothian had given you full power to negotiate, a further inquiry with him
does not seem necessarily to me .

Pater Richeleau

Padre Richeleau,

thank you for the translation.

Richeleau hat geschrieben:
I will renouncements to you city on 64/6375, if you declare the right about your accusation against me, as war propaganda and lies.

(not as misunderstanding due to the language differences) !

Well, it wasn't a lie from our point of view. It seemed to us that you didn't want any negotiation (by the way, the same you thought about us!). We were---as your message here shows---wrong in this point. Thus, we will appologize. So, in the end we were wrong but we didn't intent to lie.

Da Lothian Euch volle Verhandlungsvollmacht gegeben hatte, scheint mir eine Rückfrage bei ihm nicht notwendig.

Since Lothian had given you full power to negotiate, a further inquiry with him
does not seem necessarily to me .

Pater Richeleau

true, but Lothian has to stop his vindicative attacks (if he should have done any so far).


kind regards,

Lady Nellwyn

Nellwyn hat geschrieben:Padre Richeleau,

Well, it wasn't a lie from our point of view. It seemed to us that you didn't want any negotiation (by the way, the same you thought about us!). We were---as your message here shows---wrong in this point. Thus, we will appologize. So, in the end we were wrong but we didn't intent to lie.

I do not agree. I spoke from all points of your letter you calls a accusation.

true, but Lothian has to stop his vindicative attacks (if he should have done any so far).

If there are any attack to my tropps or so on, the cease fire is broken again from your side and there will no futher negotiation under the conditions of a cease fire.

Pater Richeleau

A cease fire is in place. Lady Nellwyn has my trust to go forward with the proposal currently on the table.

My apologies to all those involved and wish to continue peacefull relations with all my neighbors on the island of Ithilien.

Lord Lothian

Dear Lady Nellwyn,


I am surprised a little bit. I tought we have a cease fire under accepted condition :

I agree with a cease fire. I do not give order to my troops or ship this spring or will annex land. They shall return even if we have a solution.
I expects the same of you and Lothian.

So I ask myself why Lothian gave moving orders to his troops ?

May be Lothian do not read about it early enough ? May be he did, because he was in this hall yerstday evening more than once, after we agreed the cease fire ! I saw him here.

A caese fire is a fragile affair, it sets trusts ahead, but there is not much trust on my side, now where actions from Lothian broken the conditions of a cease fire once more.

Is this your way to negotiate ?

If there will only one more action from Lothian or your side, that is against the conditions of the cease fire, it will be end finally and there will no more negotiations.

Pater Richeleau