Tales of Tamar

Richeleau hat geschrieben:
the orders are given and they will not call back. Lord Lothian had a chance to say sorry and to pay the penalty.
Now the actions against him are open and will not stop, until a soulution is found, as I wrote before.

Highborn Padre Richeleau,

as we said,we prevented Lord Lothian to say anything aside from what he already said. And he clearly wrote here that he stopped all annexations and he withdrew his forces and that we would enter into negotiations with you.

How fast did you expect that someone could respond and withdraw all troops? It seems you planned from the beginning to wage a war against Lord Lothian "as penalty", right?

Don't forget, God will punish your sins as well. We hope, the Lord will be more merciful to you.

We will react here again, if you really attacked Lord Lothian.
As we said, we first wanted to compensate Lord Conn, Lord Gandi and Lady Cassandra.
And then, we would have liked to satisfy your demands. But you don't want any agreement. You simply want to act as accuser, judge und deathsman without a trial for the accused. And that, even though, Lord Lothian is a young sovereign of a small realm with little experience.

What would you think if someone treated you in this way? Be careful, that this will never happen.


We're very disappointed, but we pray to the Gods that you will come to your senses.

Padre Gildas


Translation:

Highborn Padre Richeleau,

als sagten wir, we[/b ] verhinderter Lord Lothian, zu sagen alles neben, was er bereits sagte. Und er schrieb offenbar hier, daß er alle Annexionen stoppte und er seine Kräfte zurücknahm und daß [ b]we[/b ] an den Vermittlungen mit Ihnen teilnehmen würde.

Wie schnell erwarteten Sie, daß jemand reagieren und alle Truppen zurücknehmen könnte? Es scheint, daß Sie vom Anfang planten, um einen Krieg gegen Lord Lothian "als Strafe" zu unternehmen, recht?

Vergessen Sie nicht, Gott bestraft Ihre Sünden außerdem. Wir hoffen, der Lord sind barmherziger zu Ihnen.

Wir reagieren hier wieder, wenn Sie wirklich Lord Lothian angriffen.
Als sagten wir, wir wollten zuerst Lord Conn, Lord Gandi und Dame Cassandra ausgleichen. Und dann, hätten wir Ihre Nachfragen erfüllen gemocht.
Aber [ b]you[/b ] wünschen Sie keine Vereinbarung. Sie möchten einfach als Ankläger, das Richter und dienen, das ohne einen Versuch für beschuldigt deathsman ist. Und das, obwohl, Lord Lothian Junge ist, die von einem kleinen Reich mit wenig Erfahrung souverän sind.

Was würden Sie denken, wenn jemand [ b]you[/b ] auf diese Art behandelte? Geben Sie acht, dieses dieses geschieht nie.

Wir sind disappointed sehr, aber wir beten zu den Göttern, daß Sie zu Ihren Richtungen kommen.
Padre Gildas

It is with my most sincere apology that I ask for the forgiveness of Lord Richeleau, Lady Cassandra, Lord Gandi, and Lord Conn for my recent actions.

As a new lord who only understands the Common language, it has been difficult in understanding the social graces of the game along with expectations from other lords. I am thankful for those lords that have come to my aide in this matter and have helped me understand the aspects of the game.

I do not want war with anyone and would like to live peacefully with my neighbors. Now that I understand the structure of the game more I feel that I can play an important role in the game and look forward to establishing peace contracts with my fellow lords and ladies.

Your humble servant
Lord Lothian of Vidun


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Es ist mit meiner aufrichtigsten Entschuldigung, die ich um das Verzeihen des Lords Richeleau, der Dame Cassandra, des Lords Gandi und des Lords Conn für meine neuen Tätigkeiten bitte. Als neuer Lord, der nur die Standardsprache versteht, ist es schwierig gewesen, wenn man die Sozialumgangsformen des Spiels zusammen mit Erwartungen von anderen Lords verstand. Ich bin für jene Lords dankbar, die sind zu meinem Adjutanten in dieser Angelegenheit gekommen und haben mir geholfen, die Aspekte des Spiels zu verstehen. Ich wünsche nicht Krieg mit niemandem und möchte mit meinen Nachbarn friedlich leben. Nun da ich die Struktur des Spiels mehr ich verstehe, glauben Sie, daß ich eine wichtige Rolle im Spiel spielen und Friedensverträge mit, meinen Mitlords und -damen herzustellen darauf freuen kann. Ihr bescheidener Bediensteter Lord Lothian von Vidun

`Er Baltar,

nur zur Erinnerung, wie ihro mit eynstigen Vasallen umgehet, so sie Ewch den Treweeyd gekiuendigt:

baltar hat geschrieben: Hiermit erklären wir den Reichen Melax und Thuringa den Krieg.
Die Zeit des Redens ist vorbei.
Mir scheint, Lord Melax will sein Blut geben und ich werde es
nun nehmen...

...Der Grund man hat mich ausgenutzt und hintergangen.
Man wollte nur mein Gold, mein Land und meine Handelswaren
aber anscheinend mich gar nicht als Lehnsherren, also war ich
wohl nur Mittel zum Zweck...
Das kann und werde ich mir nicht gefallen lassen...
Ich denke, es werden ein paar heuchlerische Ratten ihr Leben
lassen müssen...
..Thuringa war mein Vasall..
... ganzen die Krone aufzusetzen wurde mir der Vasallenvertrag gekündigt..
Dankbarkeit und Loyalität sind dem Reich Thuringa wohl ein Fremdwort...
..Und nun ist wohl Lord Melax dran, der sich durch Landgabe und Goldgabe einen
neuen Vasallen erkauft hat, was er wohl bitter bereuen wird...

Trutzdem isset es eine Wohltat, hieuer, wo wir wissen,
dasz niemand sein Bluthe lassen musste,
mit Ewch friedelichst Grenze an Grenze leben zu koennen.

Es grueszet



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Worth Baltar,
only to the memory, how it with former Vasallen deal, so it you the loyalty oath quit:

baltar hat geschrieben: Hereby we explain the war to the realms Melax and Thuringa. The time of talking is past. , lord Melax seems to me wants to be blood give and I it will now take... ... the reason one used and was issued me. One did not want only my gold, my country and my commodities however apparent me at all as leaning gentlemen, therefore I was probably only means for the purpose... That can and I not leave itself fallen... I think, it a few heuchlerische rats their life to leave will have... ..Thuringa was my Vasall.. ... the whole crown to touch down the Vasallenvertrag was quit to me. Gratitude and loyalty are probably the realm Thuringa a foreign word... ..Und now lord is probably Melax to, which acquired by land gift and gold gift a new Vasallen, which he will probably bitterly repent...

Nevertheless it is a wohltat today, where we know that nobody had to leave its blood, to be able to live with you friedelich border at border.

It greets

By the grace of God highborn Padre Gildas,

be carefully about what you are saying.

The time I spoke the judgement against Lord Lothian I was his liege lord, so, at that time I had the right to do it.

It was a simply thing for Lord Lothian to say,"yes, you are right, I'm doing a great mistake and accept the jugdement".

He didn't. In opposite he quited the loyalty oath, and said Lady Nellwyn will get into negotiations with the concerned one someone later.

So what ?

Do you realy believe, this is acceptable ? I do not !

Do you realy believe he could kept the land, he gets as a vassal of mine or the land he takes, that was only maked possible through the loyalty oath ?
I don't !

So, you are disappointed about my actions against Lord Lothian ? I'm disappointed from Lord Lothian.

With the attemp to extract from the jurisdiction an quitting the loyalty oath, he declares war to me. That's my simply point of view.

However, I send you a pigion but you should also know, there will no ceasefire during negotiations.

Best regards

Pater Richeleau

Padre Richeleau,

we still have the hope that you don't have attacked and killed people out of Lothians realm.

We're still waiting for reports of Lord Lothian's people. Afterwards, we will come back here.


May the Gods be with you,

Padre Gildas

Dear Padre Gildas,

Lothian lost most of his ships and a few people which were on a trooptransporter.

Pater Richeleau

Werter Padre Gildas,

wir danken Euch vielmals für das Gold, welches Ihr uns über den Markt habt zukommen lassen.
Es wird durchaus die Verluste decken, die wir zwecks unserer Verteidigung erleiden mussten
und zeigt Euren guten Willen in dieser brikeren Situation.

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Worth Padre Gildas,

we thank you very much for the gold, which sent you us over the market.
It will quite cover the losses, which we had to suffer for our defense
and shows your good will in this brikeren situation.

Cassy

As I write Lord Richeleau has attacked many of my ships and wages war against me. I have apologized to him for the mistakes I made and feel that all he had to do was ask for his lands back and we would have obliged him. However he decides to attack my people instead of simply asking for the land back which I had no problems giving back to him before his attacks.

If Lord Richeleau is unwilling to come to the negotiations table as his honorable neighbors have then it is truly unfortunate.

Negotiations are continuing in this matter and those Lords and Ladies involved have my highest respect. It is truly my wish and the wish of my people that the Kingdom of Vidun can rebuild its bonds with its neighbors and serve those that have come to the negotiation table.

Lord Lothian of Vidun

Lord Lothian,

until Padre Gildas hadn't open negotiations to me last quarter and the quarter bevor to my realm, I yesterday send him my demands.

One he rejacted, because he read it wrongly, to the others he said nothing.
The only thing he wrote more was : There will no negotiations until my actions against your realm continued. Thats fine, so he stopped negotiations he never begun.

In early time of this conflict I wrote :

The action against Lord Lothian will continued until a soulution will found.

Early in time I wrote also :

So now take to the knowledge that by quitting the loyalty oath you loss all your land, that was given to you as a vassal and also will loss all your land, that was taken by you, justified and made possible by the loyalty oath.
So you will loss all your land on Ithilen up to your core land.

So if you realy want peace, the framework for negotiations were well-known to you.

But you do not reject the demands, you do not accept them and there ist still no counter offer from you.


In this situation, really for the last time, I will offer your my demands :

- 65/6378, 66/6379 and all land south of it, and the land acres 69/6378 goes to the realm Nachtfalke, if he will not have it, I will take it

- the realm Nachtfalke get also back all its sea acres you stolen him, also all other realm get back the acres you stolen them

- the line 64/6374 to 64/6378 and all land west goes to my realm, include the city you gave to the realm Eburones (This is the city you toke in northwest Ithilen after distroying an other relam there and that was yours in the beginning of our conflict)

- you distroy the rest of your warfleet, and there will no army on your land on Ithilen, as long there are no elves, dwarfs etc on it.
There could be a cityguard on your city

- You renewable the loayality oath to me and with paying a tenth to me

- you will not longer a member of Common Language Alliance


Now its up to you, to show if you realy want peace.

Pater Richeleau

Werter Pater

Wir halten Euer Vorgehen für absolut korrekt!

Isidor II

Richeleau hat geschrieben:
- you will not longer a member of Common Language Alliance

Interesting, Padre. Is that what it comes down to? "Divide and conquer"? Especially considering that the Alliance has always been meant as a tool to unite the woefully underepresented Lords and Ladies who are not speaking the Lingua Franca of the traders. Your apparent desire to separate Lord Lothian from the rest of us shows very clearly your desire to control and subjugate him for his alleged wrongdoings.

I appeal to you to think again before you amble down this particular road, if for nothing else than the sake of your own soul. Do you really think your God will approve of that? I for one know that The Three wouldn't.


May The Three enlighten you,
Lord Kalessin

Ich kann nicht sagen, das Vorgehen des Paters als korrekt zu empfinden.

Dabei meine ich nicht die Hauptsache ansich, um die es hier zu gehen scheint -
wenn Land widerrechtlich annektiert worden ist, ist es natürlich zurück zu geben.

Aber ich frage mich, wieso ein so kleines Reich mit einem so erfahrenen Lehnsherren diese Mittel anwenden musste??

Und wie kann nun, wo offenbar das Vasallenverhältnis nicht mehr existiert, noch ein Zehnt verlangt werden -
und von welchem Recht wird abgeleitet, welcher Allianz ein freies Reich beitreten darf oder nicht?

Die ganze Sache erscheint mir sehr nebulös...


Zum Gruße

Lord Jalad

Euer von Gottes Gnaden hochwohlgeboren Lord Jalad,

Ihr solltet einmal den letzten Aushang von mir in ruhe übersetzten oder übersetzen zu lassen, dann dürfte der Teil der den Zehnt betrifft auch für Euch klarer sein.

Eine sehr schöne Frage ist allerdings wer Lord Lothian dazu gebracht hat bereits besetztes Land zu annektieren !
Diese Frage wurde allerdings bereits in diesen Aushängen beantwortet.

O-Ton Padre Gildas aus dem Reiche Eburones, Mitglied in der Common Language Alliance:

My fellow Christian Richeleau, we have to say we're really sorry about this
unpleasant incidents and we have to admit, that all this is our fault.

Es grüssed und es segnet Euch

Pater Richeleau

Lord Richeleau,

Richeleau hat geschrieben: The only thing he wrote more was : There will no negotiations until my actions against your realm continued. Thats fine, so he stopped negotiations he never begun.

that's simply not true. I'didn't stop negotiations. What i said was:

Padre Gildas hat geschrieben: As long as you don't stop your act of war against Lord Lothian, there's no chance for negotiations. You cannot express your wish for peace and at the same time go ahead and kill human beings! Especially you should know that, Padre Richeleau.

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So lang, wie Sie Ihre Kriegshandlung nicht gegen Lord Lothian stoppen, gibt es keine Wahrscheinlichkeit für Vermittlungen. Sie können nicht Ihren Wunsch für Frieden ausdrücken und gleichzeitig voran gehen und Menschen töten! Besonders Sie sollten das, Padre Richeleau wissen.

So, you were never willing to start any negotiations. You clearly showed here that you aren't at all interested in a peaceful solution. You simply started killing people instead of accepting the apology of Lord Lothian and his willingness to accept his punishment -- but of course, not at any price.

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So you waren nie bereit, alle mögliche Vermittlungen zu beginnen. Sie zeigten offenbar hier, daß Sie nicht an ganz interessiertem an einer ruhigen Lösung sind. Sie begannen einfach Tötungleute, anstatt, die Entschuldigung des Lords Lothian und seine Bereitwilligkeit, seine Bestrafung anzunehmen -- aber selbstverständlich, nicht zu jedem möglichem Preis anzunehmen.

Richeleau hat geschrieben: - you will not longer a member of Common Language Alliance

Shame on you, Lord Richeleau. You approved yourself as a racist and offended all Common Language speaking Lords and Ladies. This demand means that you want to separate Lord Lothian from his people, his friends and all human beings who are able to communicate with him! You want Lord Lothian to forget about his origin!

All Common Language speaking Lords and Ladies are naturally be a part of the CLA.

We will report your statements to the three castes of the Eburones and return later this evening to the Great Halls.

Padre Gildas


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Schande auf Ihnen, Lord Richeleau.

Sie genehmigten sich als Rassist und beleidigten alle Standardsprache-sprechenden Lords und Damen. Diese Nachfrage bedeutet, daß Sie zum separate Lord Lothian von seinen Leuten, von seinen Freunden und von allen Menschen wünschen, die sind, mit ihm zu verständigen! Sie wünschen Lord Lothian über seinen Ursprung vergessen! Alle Standardsprache-sprechenden Lords und Damen sind sind natürlich ein Teil des CLA.

Wir berichten Ihren statements die drei Kasten des Eburones und bringen später heute abend zu den großen Hallen zurück.

Padre Gildras,

did you send me an offer right now ?
You didn't. I send you mine demands, but no answer yet.

I told here, more then once, actions again Lord Lothian will not stop until a soulution is found.
So you stop negotiations which never begun from your side when you told me :

As long as you don't stop your act of war against Lord Lothian, there's no chance for negotiations.

Hey, it's fine. It's no problem to me if there are no negotiations. Maybe for other, but than, this is also not longer my problem.
It's all up to you and Lord Lothian.

Best Regards

Pater Richeleau